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Originally posted by Deepone
When war started there was some attacks but now I see only some esp probes or someone says that was hit. But this is not looking like real war but more like normal attacks with bashing rules.

Please do not take this as an insult Deepone, but the reason that you do not see many attacks is because your alliance has extremely poor communication and teamwork. There are many attacks on a daily basis but because many of your members don't even log in on a daily basis, the leadership of your alliance are never informed about these attacks. Other attacks go unnoticed or unreported by the majority of the alliance because your only communication that exists is your circular messages.

Foodman himself compounds the problem by purposly trying to downplay this war and not telling you about our attacks on him. About two weeks ago three of our members teamed up to fire 100+ interplanetary missiles at foodman which wiped out all the plasma cannons and many other defenses on his homeworld. As a result of this attack he dropped about 100 ranks. And this was only the most recent of these missile attacks. We have been launching missiles at him on a bi-weekly basis from the very start of this war.

And as for the fact that we launch more attacks aginst Foodman than the rest of your members, that is mostly a side effect of the fact that Foodman is the only member of your alliance we have a problem with. Sadly, as long as he is a member of your alliance we must continue our war aginst him and by extention, you.

EDIT: I just received a PM from one of the admins and it seems that Foodman's sixth forum account is now banned from the forums. He continues to flaunt the rules and show total disrespect for this community.

Another update:

Foodman just posted on the Golden Shields forums. As usual he threw around some childish insults and got himself banned.

Great example he and his friend Ozma are setting for the rest of his alliance.

Well, I'm sure everyone who still bothers to read this topic has noticed the long and uncomfortable pause in the discussion that started after I made the point to Deepone that his alliance doesn't have the best leadership in OGame.

The officers in my guild as well as myself have been scratching our heads wondering if we possibly came on too strong and scared Deepone off. However, it seems we have done exactly the opposite. We convinced him!

Deepone has quit the Knights and joined T.H.C. which makes him the latest in a long line of members of the Knights who have quit to look for greener pastures. Since my last post here the Kinghts have lost many of their highest ranked members and have fallen almost ten spots in the overall rankings.

Its getting harder and harder for us to attack the Knights... but only because there are fewer of them with each passing week.

Yes, I quit Knights.
This topic is about war LosT vs. Knights so this is my last post here.
If You want to try to end this war there is one more diplomat.

If You want to know more send me PM.

I didn't take anything as insult - You wrote only Your arguments and maybe You were right.

Thank you Deepone, but we know about the other diplomat. Sadly he will have the same problem you have. I fear this war cannot be ended with your alliance's current organisation.

Foodman obviously is too busy bragging about his rank in universe 19 to care about this war. For a short time there was some hope that lizciz was going to be a better leader but considering that hes done nothing so far I can only assume he must be Foodman's puppet.

Foodman's seventh forum account was banned today.

Spamming? Warned. - dElo

Hey Raltar, just wondering, but maybe you should start putting the Foodman-getting-banned notices in the CR section? haha

The Knights "other diplomat" Meriadoc Brandybuck quit the Knights today after I launched some inter planetary missiles at several of his planets.

The Knights now have 9 members left in total. Three of them went into vacation mode after we recently started attacking them. Another went inactive a few weeks ago after we pummeled him with interplanetary missiles and started farming him non-stop.

So that leaves six people... five if you REALLY think about it.

Actually Foodman never really rebuilt his fleet after WAAC crashed him three or so months ago so he doesn't even have a fleet anymore. ACS really isn't nessary. We were beating down the defense on most of his planets with just regular attacks.

Then today he changed the names of a bunch of his planet to lame things like "ralter is a noob" and put his account into vacation mode.

That now makes four Knights who are in vacation mode, which is half of their remaining alliance...

Foodman, Showing his usual level of maturity, has changed his name to "Ralter" and is now sending me obnoxious messages while still in vacation mode.

Sorry Raltar to intrude but since Foodman is sending you stupid messages can't you get him banned since he is harrassing you??

isn't there a rule on this or something but good luck!

I would like to discuss that with you Magnus... but a certain moderator on this forum has decided that even SAYING that Foodman is banned is aginst the rules. I tried to clarify this point with the SMod who is supposed to be in charge of the moderator in question, but she didn't even have the courtesy to reply to my request, so I guess we just can't talk about this. Sorry Magnus, but your question will just have to go unanwsered.

The Knights are now down to seven members in total. Four of these are hiding in vacation mode to avoid our attacks inculding Foodman himself.

I sent an email to lizciz the "official" leader of the Knights making a suggestion that he might want to do something this year. So far lizciz has not responded to my email, done anything or even visited these forums. If I didn't know any better I might think he had purposely elected to do nothing just because he knows that pointlessly dragging this war out forever is the only weapon the Knights have left to strike back at us with.

The Order of the Golden Shields (LosT) hereby proclaims itself victorious over the Knights of the Cross (Knights) alliance. To be fair, we are giving the Knights two days (48 hours) to reply to this thread if they wish to dispute our victory or continue the war. After this time peroid has passed we will ask a moderator to close this thread if the Knights have not made an appearance by that time. I have already confirmed with a moderator that this is acceptable.

To explain why we are declaring our victory now I will first give a "short" history of the events that have happened in this war so far and then give our reasons for feeling that we have overcome our enemy and no longer need to fight them.

This war first started when an ex-member of an alliance known as UNSC (now known as "TIGERS of UNSC") contacted the Knights and told them that UNSC was encouraging their weaker members to push resources to their stronger members so that the stronger memebers could "protect" the weaker ones. In other words the accusation being made was that UNSC was trying to extort "protection money" from their members like a gang. Despite the lack of any evidence to support this claim, the Knights took the word of this ex-member and apparently were offended by this enough to want to declare war on UNSC for it.

Tyekai, the most vocal member of the Knights, posted this poll on the Knights forum asking "Should we have a war with the horribly ranked alliance with no ranked players?" but because he didn't mention anything about pushing in that poll, when we read it (its posted on the public sections of their forum which used to be linked from their alliance page) we assumed it was a case of a larger and more powerful alliance picking on a weaker and smaller alliance. I contacted the leader of UNSC (Nightspell) and he confirmed that his alliance was being picked on and was going to lose if there was a war. He mumbled something about an "ex-memeber" talking to the Knights and asking them to attack but gave no other excuse for why the Knights were out to get him. I agreeed that we (LosT) would declare war on the Knights and help him fight them off so that it would be a "fair" fight.

When we declared our war officially (right here in this thread) Tyekai was the first member of the Knights to reply. If he had been the only member of the Knights to reply, this war might have turned out very differently for the Knights. Tyekai was respectful, helpful and intelligent. He attempted to explain in detail why the Knights had talked about going to war with UNSC, told us about the ex-memeber and about the rumors of UNSC asking their members to push resources. Tyekai might very well have convinced us the entire thing had been a big misunderstanding and we could have ended the war peacefully except for the Knight leader Foodman. Foodman was the exact opposite of Tyekai. He was rude, obnoxious and a braggart. He had no desire to end the war, insulted us on a regular basis and even declared that his alliance would win and we should simply give up now.

At this point three things happened. First, Tyekai saw that Foodman was messing up any chance for the war to end peacefully and asked him to apologize but Foodman branded Tyekai a traitor instead, forcing Tyeaki to quit the Knights making him the first in a LONG line of Knights diplomats who tried to end the war but were unsuccessful because of Foodman. Second, UNSC dropped out of the war without consulting us (but they apparently did consult with Foodman) which was bad enough but they then got most of their members (inculding their leader Nightspell) banned for multi-accounting and pushing, thus proving that the Knights were right all along. Third, Foodman, though his own arrogance and disreguard for common courtesy, got himself banned from these forums making it impossible for him to continue to reply here (although he did send his obnxoious friends from universe 19 over here every once in awhile until they started getting warnings for it as well).

Because Foodman could not reply here and the Knights diplomats usually took weeks (and some times months) to make contact with us we were unable to end the war peacefully even though the reasons for the war (UNSC) were now banned from the game and more likely than not guilty of the cheating they had been accused of all along. So we were forced to shift our focus from ending the war to simply winning it. We didn't have any real complaint with most of the Knights members and if Tyekai showed us anything it was that most of their members (with obvious exceptions) were decent people. Our main goal was to convince as many members of the Knights as possible to quit and look for better alliances. We did this by trying to demonstrate to them that Foodman was a poor leader who didn't care about them at all. For those that weren't convinced by words alone, we attacked them. Day and night until they quit. Between our attacks and Foodman's leadership (or lack thereof) the Knights membership began to dwindle.

I do not mean to brag, but I feel our plan worked. I'll give credit where credit is due and say the Knights were much more stubborn than we expected and they held out much longer then we expected. But in the end I feel we won this war.

Here are the grounds on which I proclaim our victory:

Member Count: - When this war began, the Knights had over 25 members. For the first month or so of the war that number stayed about the same. Today the Knights have six members in total, one of which is a spy working for the Golden Shields who has reported to us every circular message they make.

Rank: When this war started, both of our alliances were ranked nearly the same, with the Knights actually ranked slightly higher than us. For the first month or so of the war, that stayed about the same. If I recall correctly we were ranked 45 and the Knights were ranked 44 or something very similar along those lines. Today our alliance is ranked 43 and the Knights are ranked 73. Clearly they have fallen quite far in the rankings.

Combat: When this war started Foodman bragged a LOT about two "HoF hits" he got early on which consited him him sacraficing large numbers of his own ships to destroy a few of ours when we would attack him. His bragging quickly ended even before his banning from this forum because even he could see he was not going to win a war by fighiting all defensive battles. During the entire course of the war, the Knights attacked LosT enough times that it can be counted on one hand. Meanwhile members of LosT were attacking the Knights more times than that every day. Though our attacks were not large, their sheer volume made up for that. During war there are no bashing rules and we used that to our advantage. Many members of the Knights were attacked so often that they could not even build ships or save resources because of the constant farming. Also during the course of this war, we probably fired thousands of interplanetary missiles at various members of the Knights, doing millions of resources in damage with each attack. Our goal was to target a few members of the Knights at once and pummel them with attacks until they got fustrated and quit the Knights, a plan which worked very well.

Teamwork & Coordination: This was the biggest factor in the Knights defeat.

The Knights abandoned their forums rather early on in the war. This was partly because they had already made the mistake of leaving their forums unsecured in such a way that anyone could read what was posted there. But it also didn't help that their forum admin was one of the first members to go inactive and let his account get deleted during the war. After that the Knights were relegated to using circular messages to communicate and thanks to our spy, we read every circular message they sent and in many cases probably already acted on the message before even half of the Knights had seen it.

Meanwhile, we had not abandoned our forums and had in fact been using them to their fullest advantage during the war. We had an entire section on our forums dedicated just to the Knights:

In this forum we had one thread dedicated to each member of the Knights. In that thread was all the information we had collected on that person inculding the coordinates of their planets (thus why I can't show you any screen shots of the threads), defense of those planets, fleets, technology and even CRs from every attack we had made on that person.

Once a member quit the Knights, we moved their thread to a sub-forum where we kept all the threads for every former member of the Knights:

This was to keep a list of all the members of the Knights that had been "dealt with" so far as well as to keep track of all their former members in case any ever tried to join us to spy on us or cause trouble in some other fashion. That never happened and we never had any trouble with any former Knights, most of whom ended up joining T.H.C. who we have also never had any trouble with. Our former Knights forum currently contains 34 topics, which is the number of members the Knights have lost during the course of this war.

Sorry if that was quite long, but I wanted to make sure that everyone knows what is going on here (or atleast doesn't have any excuse for not knowing) and why we are declaring our victory over the Knights now. We simply wish to end this war because we do not see a reason to continue to fight an alliance of five people, three of which are in vacation mode.

And as stated above, I won't ask a moderator to close the thread for 48 hours. This way if any members of the Knights really want to keep fighting or dispute our victory, they have a fair chance to do so. Of course I can't imagine anyone other than Foodman objecting at this point and since hes banned...

wow finally the war is over or it will soon be over!

Sucks for foodman since he is banned from the forums.....



Also Raltar if i may ask what made you decide to end the war now than sooner?? sorry just wanted to ask because the knight (i think) only had about less than 10 members for over a month now and even their diplamat (i think please correct me on this if i am wrong) is not with the knights anymore.


But anyways good job!!!

Interesting that my post got reported along with Tyekai's post. I wonder, who would want to report both me and Tyekai but wouldn't be able to reply to this thread? Hmmmmm.

Anyway, Tyekai our spy is actually still a member of the Knights and there are actually several other people besides lizciz and Foodman that could be the spy, so I'm not inclined to rat him out yet. Although there has been enough evidence around for several months now that if someone really sat down and looked at the facts, it wouldn't be real difficult to figure out. If you still want to know after this thread gets closed I'll send you a PM about it.

Magnus, Now was as good a time as any. We attempted to contact lizciz with no luck after the new year and have finally decided that he has no intention of ever sending a reply. So I contacted a moderator to see if he would be willing to close the thread without imput from the Knights and it was confirmed that this would work. So we are going to do it.